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The End of The Tomorrowverse & The Future Of The DC Animated Original Movies

By Brandon T. McClure

For 17 years, Warner Bros. Animation and DC Entertainment have been releasing successful direct-to-video animated films through an imprint known as DC Animated Original Movies. These films were based on some of DC’s most iconic characters and comics. In 2020 they released Superman: Man of Tomorrow, a new adaptation of Superman’s origins that launched what would become known as the Tomorrowverse. Meant as a fresh start for the line of movies, the Tomorrowverse laid the groundwork for a new and unique take on DC’s most iconic characters. But after only four years, the Tomorrowverse is coming to an end, and it’s possible this may signal the end of the DC Animated Original Movies.

In 2007, Warner Bros. and DC Entertainment launched the DC Animated Original Movies line with the launch of Superman: Doomsday, a trimmed-down adaptation of The Death of Superman and The Return of Superman. The goal of this new line of films was to appeal to a more adult audience, often getting “PG-13” (and sometimes “R”) ratings and allowing for more faithful adaptations. With this new line of films animators, writers, and directors, could adapt comic storylines more faithfully than live-action films and shows, and represent the various art styles of the adapted comics. Many popular films came from this line including Justice League: Doom (which saw the return of many cast members of the Justice League animated show), All-Star Superman, Superman vs. The Elite, and many more. Save for a few exceptions, each film was a standalone movie, unconnected to any larger storyline. But that changed in 2013 with the release of Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox and the start of the DCAMU.

Bruce Timm has been working exclusively with DC Animation since 1993 and was one of the major producers of the DC Animated Original Movies. He wanted to take a step back to focus on Green Lantern: The Animated Series, so James Tucker came on board to produce the next film, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, and effectively took over from Timm. Tucker had been a part of DC Animation for many years at this point but suddenly found himself in charge of a new DC Universe. According to Tucker, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, based on the popular comic event Flashpoint, was initially going to be a standalone film but they learned pretty late into production that the “higher-ups” were interested in using the film to launch a series of interconnected films. This series would be dubbed the DCAMU and would go on to release 15 films, and 2 Constantine specials (one posthumously released in 2022 not produced by Tucker), including Justice League: War, Son of Batman, Death of Superman, Wonder Woman: Bloodlines, and more.

It’s important to note that the DCAMU, like many universe designations (Arrowverse, DCAU, etc.) is a fan name that only applies to a particular set of films. Between 2013 and 2020, Warner Bros. Animation released 23 direct-to-video animated films through the DC Animated Original Moves line, but only 16 (including the Constantine special), were part of the DCAMU. Batman: Assault On Arkham, Justice League: Gods and Monsters, Batman: The Killing Joke, and others were all released during the period of time that the DCAMU was running, but were not considered a part of the universe. The DCAMU had a distinct art style and saw most of their voice actors return throughout the entire run, which helped differentiate itself from the other films in the DC Animated Original Movies line.

The DCAMU ended up being a blessing for James Tucker in more ways than one. Before it, Warner Bros. was releasing three unique animated films every year, each by the same team of animators. Since the animation styles were often very different between films, the team would have to start from scratch each time. Creating a “house style” for a franchise allowed them to reuse character assets, which had the added benefit of cutting down on budget and time, and increasing the amount of films that could be released in a year. By 2018, they were releasing four films a year, which generally had one film be a standalone feature and the other three be part of the DCAMU. Probably the most important benefit of the DCAMU was that James Tucker was able to use the franchise as a way of introducing other characters. WB has always been hesitant to greenlight any movie that didn’t have “Batman” or “Justice League” in the title (This is a problem across DC as a whole). For reference, the DC Animated Original Movies have released 20 movies with “Batman” in the title, the most out of any character. With a franchise like the DCAMU, Tucker was able to introduce characters and spin them off into other films. This is how the likes of Justice League Dark, Suicide Squad: Hell To Pay, and Teen Titans: The Judas Contract were able to get made. In an interview with the Word Balloon podcast, after Justice League Dark: Apokolips War was released, he mentioned that it was important for him to showcase other characters, even though it was always a struggle to get them made.

Sometime before 2019 (the timeline is unclear, but likely 2017 or 2018), Tucker was told that the DCAMU would be coming to an end with the, already greenlit, Justice League Dark: Apokolips War. To this day, he claims he doesn’t know why the films ended and there has been no official word from WB. Critics and fans have thrown out ideas for why the DCAMU ended but most just say it was because “they were bad”, which is a ridiculous statement considering their Rotten Tomatoes scores were often within the “fresh” threshold. One theory suggested that the films ended because James Tucker stepped down, but he made it clear that it was not his plan to end. He likely used the ending as an excuse to step down and not the other way around. What’s more likely is that the sales weren’t what WB was interested in seeing. Only two of the nine films released between 2017 and 2020 grossed over $4 million in sales. 

To put this in perspective, the DC Animated Original Movies were relatively inexpensive to make. Each one would cost roughly $2 million or less, so $4 million is a profit for them. These films are also easy to market and repackage for continuous sales over long periods of time. What’s more, Warner Bros. streaming service, MAX (formerly HBO Max), could stream these movies till David Zazlov (head of WBD) wants to save some more taxes. So these films aren’t unprofitable or not successful, but there has been a significant downward trend. The most successful film they’ve ever made was Batman: Under the Red Hood in 2010, which made $12 million according to the-numbers.com. While some Batman films have gotten close to that number, the entries of the DCAMU never made it above $6 million and began to plummet in sales. The highest-grossing film was Son of Batman with $7 million in 2014 and the lowest-grossing entry was Wonder Woman: Bloodlines in 2019 with only $1.7 million. The hope with any film franchise is that there would be growth in sales, but if audiences were voting with their wallets, then it was pretty clear that interest in the DCAMU was waning.

Even so, James Tucker was just as surprised as anyone that the DCAMU was ending. He didn’t have a plan for one and was hoping that he could continue for many more years. He had hoped to one day get to do another Teen Titans film, but those desires had to be put aside. He had already gotten WB to greenlight a new Justice League Dark film and now had to find a way to turn that film into a universe-ending epic. Justice League Dark: Apokolips War starts after Darkseid has already taken over the world and many of Earth's heroes and villains have died. Constantine gets a team together for one last-ditch effort to destroy Darkseid and in the process frees the Justice League and the remaining heroes. But so much had already been lost in the battle so Constantine convinces Flash that the only way to fix everything is to reset the universe in the same way that he did during the Flashpoint (the events of Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox). It’s revealed in Constantine: House of Mystery (a short film released after the end of the DCAMU in 2022) that Constantine used his magic to help Flash, which made it so Darkseid couldn’t find the Earth in the new universe that would be created. Darkseid had been an ever-looming threat in the DCAMU, and this plan would allow the new universe a fighting chance, but it opened up Earth to a new, more dangerous enemy.

Regardless of why WB ended the DCAMU, plans began for a new universe that would be dubbed the Tomorrowverse. Named after the first film in the franchise, Superman: Man of Tomorrow, the Tomorrowverse began months after Justice League Dark: Apokolipse War. This new universe was spearheaded by Butch Lukic, Jim Krieg (who wrote Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox), and Kimberly S. Moreau. There was one big difference between the DCAMU and the Tomorrowverse that fans didn’t know, and that was it was always going to end. Butch Lukic told Cinemablend, in January of 2024, that “it was just preplanned. [It was] five, six years ago where we laid out 10 movies that we were gonna do. Because we were basically given 10 movies only, and then you’re out, you’re done.” This marks a stark contrast to the development of the DCAMU, which had no set ending until WB decided it was time.

During an interview with ComicBookMovie.com, Jim Krieg and Butch Lukic discussed what it was like to pitch the Tomorrowverse. “Butch and I had this idea that we would have a long time to build to Crisis,” Krieg said and added “I remember [Butch] and I talking to Sam Register (president of WB Animation) and saying, ‘Maybe we can have twenty films and then end in Crisis?’ I think he said, ‘How about three?’” Judging by this, Sam Register and WB Animation weren’t all that interested in another long-running universe. Krieg and his team went into the pitch meeting with the idea that they could have, at least, as many films as the DCAMU. Krieg told  ScreenRant that “we would have been happy to do 20. But when you want to do 20, and someone offers you 10, you'd say yes anyway," Krieg and his team were insistent and had big plans, but ten movies were all they could get. Butch lamented in the ComicBookMovie.com interview that he “originally wanted to keep doing a slow build with movies like [Batman:] The Long Halloween and [Superman:] Man of Tomorrow. I wanted to take as long as possible and once we gave them our pitch, they said they wanted Crisis involved and they wanted it done in ten movies. That’s why we had to fast-track some of these stories and build it towards this.” Through every interview, it’s clear that everyone is happy with how the Tomorrowverse has played out, but they had to condense 20 movies into 10.

Many of the criticisms that have been lobbied towards the Tomorrowverse make more sense with the realization that they only had ten films to work with. One of the issues that the series was plagued with was the quick-moving and eclectic way the story unfolded. It makes it very difficult for audiences to engage and get emotionally invested in characters and character arcs if the story isn’t properly unfolded. This is not to say that the Tomorrowverse doesn’t work. Many of these films are very good, despite the limitations (except Justice League: Warworld). Batman: The Long Halloween is a near-perfect adaptation of the comic it’s based on and Legion of Superheroes is a great story centered around Supergirl and her journey in the 31st century. The Tomorrowverse, while short, has been very good at utilizing characters outside of Batman and Superman. Characters like Green Lantern and the Justice Society don’t often get the same attention that DC’s heavy hitters do in animation, so it’s been great to have a franchise attempt to change that. As standalone films, they’re all strong features with good voice casts and expressive animation. The connections and the universe-building have just been the Tomorrowverse’s weakness. But, that said, Justice League: Crisis On Infinite Earths could make it all come together in the end as one complete ten-movie arc. It just feels like it’s ending before it even got to start.

Justice League: Crisis On Infinite Earths is not the first time WB has adapted Marv Wolfman and George Perez’s seminal event. Famously, the Arrowverse aired a five-part adaptation on the CW that crossed over all their shows at the time (which ended up being the beginning of the end for them) in 2019. But Butch Lukic revealed to ScreenRant, that they’d been working on the animated version since before that by saying “we already were figuring out that we were going to do Crisis before they even were filming anything on their Crisis.” This lines up with what has been revealed about the timeline of when they were told how many films they would get and a particularly weird trend within WB at the time.

It appears that there was a point in WB’s history that saw many DC departments interested in adapting Crisis On Infinite Earths. From TV to animation, to movies, everyone was racing to get theirs made, and the Arrowverse was just the one to make it to the finish line. Before James Gunn and Peter Safran became the head of DC Studios, a man named Walter Hamada was the head of DC Films. After he exited the company in 2022 (in the wake of Batgirl’s tax write-off), The Hollywood Reporter found out that he had been mapping out a new trajectory for his DC films that would culminate in a big-screen adaptation of Crisis on Infinite Earths. Hamada was so confident in this plan that one of the filmed endings to The Flash (the movie) saw Barry receiving a call from Ben Affleck’s Batman that would reveal they were now on separate Earths. Sadly, the changing of the guard at DC meant that this plan was scrapped and a new ending was filmed (this is why the George Clooney ending exists).

While Krieg and his team may have known that an animated Crisis film would be the end of the Tomorrowverse back in 2019, fans did not. But rumors began swirling of the animated Crisis adaptation in 2021 when Journalist Matías Lértora tweeted “An animated TRILOGY adaptation of CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS is coming” and “It is expected that all the DC animated Universes will come together.” Finally, at the 2023 San Diego Comic-Con, it was revealed that 2024 will see two ambitious releases from the DC Animated Original Movies line, Watchmen, based on the Alan Morre and Dave Gibbons comic, and the rumored Justice League: Crisis On Infinite Earths. Only later was it revealed that Justice League: Crisis On Infinite Earths would be a three-part ending to the Tomorrowverse. No new information has been released about Watchmen at the time of this writing.

The first part of Justice League: Crisis On Infinite Earths is out now (with part two out in April) and follows Flash as he travels through time and universes to try and stop an Anti-Matter wave that is destroying the multiverse with the help of the Justice League and alternate universe heroes. Matt Ryan’s Constantine makes a surprise appearance in the film to connect the Tomorrowverse to the DCAMU, which was alluded to in the aforementioned Constantine: House of Mystery. It seems that when Constantine and Flash changed the universe, they hid it from Darkseid but opened it up to a new threat, likely the Anti-Monitor, the villain of the original comic. While the first part of the rumor turned out to be true, it remains to be seen if the second part is. So far, no familiar heroes from other DC animated universes have popped up but Krieg and Lukic said to stay tuned. Indeed a rumor came about that suggested that Kevin Conroy had reprised his role as Batman for one last time in a future installment. 

One of the more fun aspects of animated shows crossing over is the opportunity to utilize the unique animation styles of the various shows (see any Teen Titans Go! crossover for examples). It’s now been confirmed that Will Friedle will reprise his role as Terry McGinnis/Batman from the wildly popular animated show Batman Beyond, in Justice League: Crisis On Infinite Earths - Part Two, but he will appear in the animation of the Tomorrowverse. It appears that, rather than having different universes represented by different animation styles, in order to celebrate the animated history of DC, the creators opted to keep it simple. It was likely more of a budget choice than a style choice, honestly. Besides, Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths needs to act as an ending to the Tomorrowverse first and foremost. While multiverse stories can be a fun way to celebrate the storied history of a property, they need to serve the story of the main characters they’re following. The allure of nostalgia is strong and this is something that multiverse stories often struggle with (see The Flash for examples).

When asked about the future, Krieg said that "whatever happened afterward would be someone else; a couple of producers would do another universe, which turned out to be the James Gunn-verse." It’s unclear what he means by this, however, when James Gunn was asked on Threads if Justice League: Crisis On Infinite Earths has anything to do with the start of his new DCU, Gunn simply said “They do not.” Considering the timing of his hiring and when these films would have been in production, it is very unlikely that he had anything to do with this. But there’s also the case of his plans for the DCU throughout all mediums. In his original announcement, Gunn stated “It's one of our jobs to make sure the DCU is connected in film, television, gaming, and animation. That the characters are consistent, played by the same actors, and it works within one story.” Gunn said this after implying that the disconnected nature of the various DC projects was diminishing the brand and many shows were canceled in the wake of his hiring. The question of what exactly he means has come up far more times than not. Does he mean that there will be entries in the DCU that are video games or animated films? Or does he mean that all future video games, animated films, and so on will be part of the DCU? The distinction is an important one, but not one that has been made.

To be clear, DC Animation isn’t going anywhere. Harley Quinn: The Animated Series is still a hugely popular MAX show, with a Kite Man spin-off on the way, and it’s just been announced that Gunn will produce a big-screen animated adaptation of Daniel Warren Johnson and Juan Gedeon's comic

The Jurassic League. They’re just now being developed by DC Studios, along with everything else DC-related. Gunn seems like he wants to keep the door open for unconnected stories, like The Batman Part II, but wants to make it clear to audiences that they are “Elseworlds” stories and not part of his DCU. So while there will be video games, animated shows, and movies connected to his DCU, that’s not all there will be. So there is still room for something like the DC Animated Original Movies, even though there might be a significant downsizing in the amount of films made. 

The DC Animated Original Movies are not huge releases for Warner Bros. and with studios insisting that physical media should die out, it’s not outside the realm of possibility that the line of films could be ending (whatever happened to that Milestone movie announced in 2021?). David Zaslav has come into Warner Bros. to clean house (and probably sell it for parts) and has become a ruthless player in the studio system. Not only has he canceled shows, but erased shows and movies to never be seen again. All in the name of tax breaks. Nothing stops him from looking at the measly $2.6 million that Injustice made in sales (the previous six movies didn’t do much better) and deciding that the entire line of films isn’t worth the money anymore.

While it’s undeniably sad that the Tomorrowverse is coming to an end, the future of the DC Animated Original Movies remains unknown. No films have been announced for 2025, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t any, some could be announced at this years San Diego Comic-Con as is tradition. As for this year, two animated Justice League: Crisis On Infinite Earths films and a Watchmen animated film (possibly two) are still on the schedule and Warner Bros. Animation is  hard at work on Creature Commandos, the first part of James Gunn’s new DCU, which is likely out at the end of the year. So that begs the question, is the future of the DC Animated Original Movies, to end with Watchmen? Or will they continue under the watchful eye of James Gunn to either be part of the DCU or somewhere in his multiverse? Or will they just continue as is until David Zaslav notices they exist and comes barging into their offices with a flamethrower to burn it all down? Only time will tell.

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INTERVIEW / Actor & Recording Artist - Jovan Armand

We have a very special episode this week with a very special guest. Kyle and Dave are joined by one of the stars of the recently released Shazam: Fury of the Gods, Jovan Armand. Jovan joins us to talk about the new movie, how he was cast in the original film, and what got him into acting. He also talks about his new song that he recorded and is available NOW!

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A New Dawn For DC

By Brandon T. McClure

The new Co-CEO of DC Studios, James Gunn promised to tell audiences what his plans are for this new era of DC in January of 2023. True to his word, on the last day of January, Gunn revealed part of the first chapter of his and Peter Safran’s new plan. This new plan is separated into chapters with the first one titled “Gods and Monsters” and looks to revitalize the DC slate with a combination of prestige television shows, animated television shows, and of course big budget blockbuster films. This new first chapter for DC’s cinematic universe is the most ambitious one yet and potentially the most exciting.

To kick things off, James Gunn talked about the remaining DC films that are releasing in 2023. Gunn and Safran had inherited four films that are meant to release this year, Shazam: Fury of the Gods, The Flash, Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, and finally Blue Beatle. These films can be considered a prelude to the upcoming chapter one but Gunn was clear that they do fit in with his new vision. The Flash was always meant to reboot the DC film franchise anyway. The actors from these movies are also likely to return, especially Momoa who Safran stated is working on Aquaman 3. Gunn also put to rest the rumors that Jason Momoa would be playing Lobo.

While many characters are being recast, many are not. Gunn made it clear that The Flash would not lead to a complete reboot. The door is open for the likes of Zachary Levi, Gal Gadot, and even Ezra Miller to return. In the case of Miller, the new heads of DC Studios are willing to keep conversations open with the actor while they go through their recovery. Miller became a very controversial figure lately, so it makes sense that they would be more cautious with them going forward.

The Flash (Ezra Miller) and Supergirl (Sasha Calle) in The Flash.

Then Gunn began to talk about what the initial projects of his first chapter are going to be. He started with a new animated series called Creature Commandos. This new animated series will be written by Gunn and will feature Amanda Waller creating a team of supernatural heroes which include Frankenstein, the Bride of Frankenstein, Rick Flag Sr, Doctor Phosphorus, Weasel, and more. When it comes to the cast of this series, the hope is to cast actors who will be able to play the same characters in live-action. Marvel attempted the same thing with What If…? but had to settle for sound-a-likes for some parts. Gunn made it clear that the hope is that the actors will remain consistent through film, television, animation, and video games.

Film, TV, and animation connected is old hat at this point. While Marvel hasn’t committed to connecting their animated shows, including the upcoming Spider-Man: Freshman Year, they are slowly developing a multimedia franchise through theatrical and streaming distribution. Connecting video games is the big question mark here. When Insomniac was developing Spider-Man for the PlayStation 4, they were not required to make sure that it was the same Spider-Man that Tom Holland played. So the question of how much these video games will connect remain. It’s possible that the output of games that Gunn wants to connect to his new franchise would be separate from “Elseworlds” games. Because DC Studios is now controlling everything DC-related, video games would just be developed through their vision and not necessarily connected to their shared universe.

James Gunn mentioned that his goal for the new DC cinematic universe was to make sure that anything not a part of the same universe, is specifically labeled as an Elseworlds. Movie franchises like The Batman and Joker were explicitly mentioned, as well as Teen Titans Go. It’s interesting that he specifically felt that Teen Titans Go needed to be mentioned since it’s very unlikely audiences think the show takes place in the same world as Peacemaker. But with so many DC shows ending, such as Doom Patrol and the entire Arrowverse, perhaps there will be fewer shows developed that will take place outside of the new “aligned continuity” that James Gunn and Peter Safran are developing. 

While they may have inherited the Elseworlds films and shows, they seem to be willing to embrace them. This could attract filmmakers uninterested in being part of a shared universe and allow them to develop moves outside of “Gods and Monsters”. Gunn and Safran are already willing to have two different actors play Batman so who’s to say how far that will go. The sky is, potentially, the limit. The same is true for the relatively popular DC original animated films that WB has been putting out for over a decade. Unlike the previous regime, everything now falls under DC Studios. This includes shows and direct to BluRay animated movies. With Gunn and Safran overseeing everything in a way that Walter Hamada was not, only time will tell how long these films continue. They don’t make a lot of money for the company and it may not be worth it to keep them up after a while.

The rest of Gunn’s plan includes a new Superman film called Superman: Legacy, a series based on Viola Davis’ Amanda Waller called Waller, a horror film centered around Swamp Thing, and many more. These projects are already exciting, and when they are paired with a live-action Green Lantern TV series centered around John Stewart and Hal Jordan, titled Lanterns, and a movie based on Tom Kings Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow mini-series, it’s clear this is a line-up of projects developed by a long time fan of comic books. James Gunn clearly reads comic books and keeps up with them. His inclusion as the head of DC Studios is every comic book fan's dream. He has the power to read a comic book and immediately green-lights a movie based on that same comic. 

Amanda Waller (Viola Davis) in Suicide Squad.

The Brave and the Bold is another movie that was announced. This film will introduce the new Batman of this continuity. Robin has been absent from Batman adaptations since 1997’s Batman and Robin and it’s time to change that. This film will introduce Damian Wayne, the biological son of Batman and the current Robin in the comics. While that is certainly exciting for fans of Grant Morrison’s seminal run on Batman, Safran went on to say that this film will also introduce characters from the Bat-Family. Batman adaptations have kept him alone for decades and it’s wonderful that there will be a Batman film that will touch on the thing that has made his comic book counterpart so endearing, his family. It’s too early to say which of his family will turn up, but at this point, they’re all on the table.

Back in the early days of Marvel Studios, there was a story group that helped develop the franchise and doctor scripts. This story group was disbanded after the very public falling out that happened when Edgar Wright left Ant-Man. Similar to those old Marvel Studios days, Gunn and Safran brought on writers to help develop chapter one including Drew Goddard (The Martian), Jeremy Slater (Moon Knight), Christina Hobson (The Flash), Christal Henry (Watchmen 2019), and Tom King (Mister Miracle). Gunn indicated that some of these writers would continue working on projects, including Henry, who is co-showrunning Waller with Jeremy Carver, who was the creator behind the recently canceled Doom Patrol series.

Damian Wayne from Grant Morrison’s Batman (illustrated by Andy Kubert).

Something that was very important for Gunn and Safran to reiterate was that the goal of all these projects is to make sure that story comes first. Gunn called out other superhero films as not having third acts written by the time they’re shooting. A problem that many fans have picked up on through the years. In Gunn’s new regime, he vows to not let this be the case. It’s telling that only Superman: Legacy has a release date in this regard. Not committing to a release date, allows them to take their time and not put pressure on writers to finish the script in time to make a date that’s only two years away. Gunn was not pulling any punches during his interviews, clearly calling out Marvel when he made his story comments. 

Gunn might have ruffled some feathers, however. Not only did he throw thinly veiled comments towards Marvel, but also the previous regime. “As everyone here probably knows, the history of DC is pretty messed up, it was fucked up,” he said. While Walter Hamada made sure that the films he produced were the visions of the filmmakers, Gunn feels that DC was just handing out IP to anyone who would smile at them. He specifically mentions Birds of Prey and Black Adam but also his own The Suicide Squad. “No one was minding the mint, they were just giving away IP like they were party favors to any creators that smiled at them,” he said. Many of the films he’s referring to are well-liked and the filmmakers put a lot of effort into making them work, so it might not have been the smartest move to throw shade their way. This is especially apparent when referring to the canceled Batgirl film as something that would “hurt the DC brand.” While that’s a little hard to believe, perhaps it’s time to let the filmmakers, who worked hard on the movie, move on.

It’s unclear what kind of shows could be coming next from DC, but Gunn mentioned the Arrowverse as part of the “messed up” history of DC. Frankly, this was an unfair jab at a series of shows that created a beloved universe for many years. But with that coming to an end, and Superman & Lois only having one or two more seasons left (according to Gunn and Safran), there are not many DC shows left (Harley Quinn remains the lone survivor from the DC Universe days) Clearly, prestige TV shows are going to be very important to Chapter 1 going forward, but could we see more unrelated shows? Besides the Penguin series, it sounds like DC shows won’t be as frequent as they used to be. Perhaps it’s fitting the Arrowverse is ending, since it could mark the end of an era of DC television, the likes of which we might not see again. For every Pennyworth: The Origins of Batman’s Butler, there was a Doom Patrol, so it wasn’t all bad, after all, many of the Arrowverse stars are iconic. Time will tell when the next Elsworlds TV series will be, but the frequency will be drastically reduced.

Robotman (Brendan Fraser), Negative Man (MattBomer), Crazy Jane (Diane Guerrero), Cyborg (Joivan Wade), Elasti-Girl (April Bowlby) and Chief (Timothy Dalton) in Doom Patrol.

Something that should be apparent at this point is that Gunn is taking all the lessons he learned from the Guardians of the Galaxy films and incorporating them on a bigger scale. Marvel, for all their success, remains somewhat controversial with some of their choices of creative talent. Not in the way that they’re bad or problematic, but their insistence to hire inexperienced writers to develop their shows and sometimes movies have begun to weigh on their fanbase. This looks to be something Gunn isn’t too keen to repeat. While the creative teams behind most of the projects have not been revealed, the creative talent for Waller indicates that Gunn is looking to hire experienced creatives and not first-time showrunners.

This desire is one of the ways he’s hoping to avoid superhero fatigue, which he believes to be a real thing. Recently, studios have been more interested in making release dates that are set before creative teams have been assembled. It’s something that Marvel has become pretty adept at, but Gunn, who is primarily a writer, wants to be sure that no movie will be made before a screenplay is finished. “I’ve seen it happen again and again — it’s a mess, it’s the primary reason for the deterioration in the quality of films today, versus 20-30 years ago,” he said referring to studios being more concerned with hitting release dates. Gunn and Safran believe that if more care was put into the writing process, then they can avoid superhero fatigue, or as Safran put it “bad movie fatigue.”

This “Gods and Monsters” lineup is a dream come true for comic book fans no doubt, but it’s also DC’s last shot. This will be the third time they have set up the pieces to build a shared universe and if this doesn’t work then it’ll be very difficult to convince the general audience to care. As it stands, DC Studios already has an uphill battle ahead of them. With each regime change, the hill gets higher. Gunn and Safran are clearly very passionate about this lineup of films and believe that this is going to be the winning formula. Time will tell if that’s true, but there are a lot of big promises being made that could very well prove to be empty.

Here’s a list of the titles:

Creature Commandoes

Waller

Superman: Legacy

Lanterns

The Authority

Paradise Lost

The Brave and the Bold

Booster Gold

Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow

Swamp Thing

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In Memoriam: Kevin Conroy, Batman, Has Died

By Brandon T. McClure

Kevin Conroy, the voice of Batman for generations, passed away this week after a short battle with cancer.

Diane Pershing, who voiced Poison Ivy in Batman: The Animated Series, was the first to announce his death. She posted on Facebook “our beloved voice of Batman, Kevin Conroy, died yesterday.” Shortly after this post, some of the lesser-known outlets began sharing the news to the disbelief of many fans around the world. Then the official word finally came from his representatives that yes, he had indeed passed away. The geek community mourns this passing and will continue to mourn it for days to come. A kind and gentle soul who touched the lives of actors and fans for more than 30 years has passed away. A bat-shaped hole is left in the hearts of those who loved him.

He attended Julliard where he studied alongside the likes of Christopher Reeve and his roommate Robin Williams. After leaving Julliard he pursued stage acting and received rave reviews for performances in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Hamlet, and others. He starred in films and had recurring roles on television like on Cheers and Murphey Brown. But still, he struggled to find the kind of success that he was hoping for. On a whim, he answered a casting call for the character of Batman, a character he admits to having little to no knowledge of previously. He related to the character's duality and double life and found the voice through that. The rest is history.

Batman: The Animated Series is going to go down as his most influential role. He defined that character in a way few actors ever have. He was one of the first actors to bring a duality to the voice of the character, something he would refine throughout the years and something that live-action and voice actors would continue to emulate. Becoming the definitive voice for the caped crusader, Conroy would go on to voice him in shows including Justice League: The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Justice League Action, and many more to list. He guested on almost every Batman show, including Batman: Brave and the Bold where he appeared as the Batman of Zur-En-Arrh, the alien Batman from the planet Zur-En-Arrh. He would then gain a whole new popularity with the character when he stepped back into the role with the popular Arkham trilogy of video games from Rocksteady studios. The popularity of those games introducing a new generation of fans to Conroy’s voice can’t be overstated. His most recent turn as Batman was for Warner Bros. Games Multiversus, a game that puts together various Warner Bros. properties in a Super Smash Bros.-style fighting game. 

Conroy would continue to reprise his Batman role in many animated features, notably Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, which many claim to be one of the best Batman movies ever made. He also starred in many direct-to-DVD animated features such as Justice League: Doom and most recently Justice League vs. The Fatal Five. Conroy would finally get to portray Bruce Wayne in live-action during the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover event for the CW Arrowverse. During the second part of the five-part crossover, Kate Bishop (Ruby Rose) and Kara Danvers (Mellissa Benoist) travel to the alternate Earth-99 to look for the Batman there. They find an older Bruce Wayne with an exo-suit that he needs to move. Conroy got to play the role of a broken Bruce Wayne who’s murdered his rogue's gallery and the Superman of that Earth. It was exciting to see Conroy finally play the part in live-action and even though some fans weren’t happy with how it was portrayed, Conroy spoke fondly of the experience. He was excited to do something in front of the camera again after so long and “stretch his acting chops”, as he said to Michael Rosenbaum on his podcast. When asked if he would play that version again, he happily said he would 

Before it was announced that DC Pride 2022 was going to include a story written by Kevin Conroy, many fans weren’t aware that he was gay. He had come out in 2016 during an interview with the New York Times, but it went largely unnoticed until recently. His story in DC Pride 2022, talks about his journey as a struggling gay actor and the hardships he went through with his family. He came from a devout catholic family and his father was an abusive alcoholic. The DC Pride 2022 issue details a life that many are unfamiliar with. It’s a touching story that hits even harder now. He kept his private life very personal for his entire life. It wasn’t until DC’s touching tribute to the man did fans learn that he had been married for many years to Vaughn C. Williams. Nothing is publicly known about their relationship, but it’s a comfort to know that he wasn’t alone in the end.

It’s unknown if there were any films or shows that he was working on before his death, but he was reunited with Batman: The Animated Series co-creator Bruce Timm when he was cast as Thomas Wayne in Batman: Caped Crusader. Since that show is currently looking for a new home after being removed from HBO Max, it’s unknown at this time if he recorded any dialogue. Since his passing, there has been an outpour of love for him from his friends and co-stars. The likes of Mark Hammil, Susan Eisenberg, Tim Daly, and many more have all expressed their sorrow for the loss of their friend. He was a unique talent, one that will never be seen again. 

He was Batman.

TELEVISION, SUPERHEROES, MOVIES

DC Has Found Their Kevin Feige’s

By Brandon T. McClure

For a number of months now, there have been numerous reports about how Warner Bros. Discovery head David Zaslav was looking for a “Kevin Feige-like” figure to spearhead a new direction for the DC films. The thinking was that, despite their success, DC has been floundering without a singular voice guiding a specific direction, in the vein of Marvel Studios. THR has recently reported that that figure has finally been found in the form of James Gunn and Peter Safran. The two of them will work together as co-CEOs at DC Studios, effectively replacing former head Walter Hamada who departed the company earlier this month.

Reports of this search have been going on since the early days of the merger with WarnerMedia and Discovery. Initially, it was reported that Zaslav was looking at offering the job to the likes of Joker director Todd Phillips and even Kevin Feige himself. No formal offer was made to either man but it looked like Zaslav was barking up the wrong tree with, at least Feige. It’s difficult to imagine anyone pulling Kevin Feige away from Marvel Studios at this point or in the near future. While Joker made lots of money for WarnerMedia (Or was it TimeWarner at the time?), Phillips isn’t a comic book fan and he didn’t seem like the right fit. So the search continued. 

Fast forward a number of months when it was revealed that Walter Hamada was given the offer to stay on board the new company. Hamada, for all his faults, oversaw very successful DC films including Aquaman and Shazam. Walter Hamada had a very filmmaker-first attitude when it came to the DC films he produced. He was adamant that every DC film would be able to stand on its own as the sole vision of the director. This was a deliberate contrast to how Marvel Studios produced their films. His strategy seemed very chaotic, however, with Michael Keaton returning and replacing Ben Affleck as Batman, a film centered on Static Shock, multiple Superman projects, and many spin-off shows for HBO Max that were in various stages of pre-production. Hamada was very interested in making big-budget shows and movies for HBO Max, which Zaslav is reportedly very opposed to. When Zaslav canceled Batgirl during its post-production, Hamada decided it was time to leave the company and he declined the offer. It’s possible more of his projects were canceled than the public knows at this point (Does anyone know what happened to Static Shock?). He had his strengths, but he had also been a controversial figure in the eyes of the public thanks to his actions during the abuse investigation of the 2017 film Justice League, so perhaps his leaving was for the best.

The search appeared to be over at last when a report came out that producer Dan Lin was being considered for the role. Once again, no formal offer was made but it appeared that Warner Bros. Discovery was putting all they had into getting him onboard. Lin had a relationship with Warner Bros. after producing many films for them, including The Lego Movie and Godzilla vs. Kong. However, he has many projects in the works right now through his production company Rideback, such as Lilo & Stitch with Disney and the long-awaited third Sherlock Holmes film. In order to take on this role in DC Studios, Lin would have to leave Rideback and any projects he was associated with as well as a first-look deal with Universal Studios. By all accounts, he seems like a good man, a decent producer, and a fan of DC Comics, but it wasn’t meant to be. He denied the offer when it came, likely due to the controversial cuts David Zaslav had been making throughout the company.

After an extensive search, Warner Bros. Discovery finally announced that James Gunn and Peter Safran had signed a deal to be Co-CEOs of DC Studios, which appears to be a new division within Warner Bros. Discovery and in the same vein as Marvel Studios. Most people will know James Gunn as the director of Guardians of the Galaxy and The Suicide Squad, but may be unfamiliar with Peter Safran. Safran has been a producer on many Warner Bros. franchises, including the Conjuring movies and DC films, including Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad, which he did with James Gunn. In fact, Gunn and Safran’s working relationship goes even further as THR reports that Safran began his time in the film industry as a manager where James Gunn was one of his clients. 

It appears that Zaslav turned his attention to building a structure at DC Studios similar to how Pixar is run, rather than Marvel Studios. A notion corroborated by THR themselves when they say “Even though Zaslav talked about finding a Kevin Feige-style executive, over the summer the team started looking at emulating the Pixar model, in which you have producers and filmmakers working as executives. That has never been tried in the live-action space”. This could be an experiment that pays off and, if it does, could lead to an industry shift where more creative voices are put behind the scenes. Gunn, for his part, will focus more on the creative side of everything while Safran will focus on the business and production side. The two of them will oversee all of DC’s film, television, and animation endeavors, which likely means picking up the pieces that hurricane Zaslav has left them with. 

“We look forward to collaborating with the most talented writers, directors, and actors in the world to create an integrated, multilayered universe that still allows for the individual expression of the artists involved.” Gunn and Safran said in a joint statement. Since so many fans have resonated with DC’s filmmaker-first approach to their films, it sounds as though Gunn and Safran want to keep that intact while also honing in on the chaotic approach left by Hamada. While Zaslav likes to boast a new ten-year plan for DC films, Gunn and Safran’s contract is only for four years, with the likely option to sign a new contract when it’s up. For reference, Hamada was only at Warner Bros. for four years as well, so there’s certainly a lot that can be done in that time. During this time, Gunn will be exclusive to DC, which puts to bed any speculation of him directing a Marvel film after Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. While he obviously has Peacemaker season 2 in the works, he will be able to also direct other DC films while he’s operating as co-CEO, something that has only been done at Pixar.

Up until now, the post-production of upcoming DC films like Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, Shazam: Fury of the Gods, and The Flash have been overseen by the heads of Warner’s film division Micheal De Luca and Pamela Abdy. But effective November 1st, Gunn and Safran will take over those duties and every future DC film with the exception of Joker: Folie à Deux and possibly The Batman, due to them existing in separate universes. It’s unclear at this time who will produce the sequel to The Batman and its spin-off shows on HBO Max but De Luca and Abdy will produce the upcoming sequel to Joker. That all said, Gunn and Safran will work directly with De Luca and Abdy, and other various department heads while answering directly to David Zaslav himself. By all accounts, the two of them are kind people, who know how to make good movies and are fans of the source material, so this sounds like news that should be celebrated. While this is just speculation, it would be nice if this meant the remaining DC projects in development were safe from being unceremoniously canceled by Zaslav's need to recoup his dept.

Kevin Feige is a tough act to follow. Studios have been trying to replicate what he’s done for more than a decade now to no success. Warner’s has gone through many people trying to find their own, such as Zack Snyder, Geoff Johns, and the aforementioned Walter Hamada but none have found the secret sauce that makes Feige’s approach so successful. Truthfully, DC’s most successful when they aren’t trying to replicate what Marvel has done. DC’s films have found financial and critical success despite the constant changes behind the scenes. Time will tell what a more consistent voice will do for the films. A Pixar-type structure for a live-action studio is an interesting idea, one that could pave the way for more creative voices behind the scenes of major studios. While the news is surprising, considering Gunn has never expressed interest in being in this position, it’s great to have good news come out of Warner Bros. Discovery for once.

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Warner’s Schroedinger Superman is Let Out of the Box

By Brandon T. McClure

A new report from The Hollywood Reporter recently stated that a Superman film starring Henry Cavill is in early development at Warner Bros. Discovery. This tracks with a very early insider report from the early days of the merger that stated a Superman film starring Cavill was a top priority for the incoming head of the company, David Zaslav. Since the 2017 release of Justice League, fans have been unsure of what the future held for the Man of Steel, but his appearance in Black Adam (complete with head), this new report from THR, and an announcement video from Cavill himself suggest the future is finally bright for the Man of Tomorrow.

For a while, it was unclear if Henry Cavill was still Superman in the DCEU or whatever Warners calls their DC film continuity these days. The character of Superman appeared in Shazam and Peacemaker but his face was obscured both times, Suggesting that Warner’s wasn’t sure if they were interested in moving forward with Cavill as Superman. While Cavill was clearly interested in returning to the role, the studio just dragged its feet for many years about it. Cavill always stated that if they wanted him, he would be there, indicating that there was no bad blood between him and the company. Cavill’s Superman clearly existed in the film universe, but because they were unwilling to make a call on it one way or the other, he also didn’t 

At one point it was revealed that Cavill himself had approached Warner Bros. head of DC Films, Walter Hamada with directors who were interested in developing a Superman movie. Back in 2019, Christopher McQuarrie (Mission: Impossible - Fallout) was asked about his involvement with the now-defunct Green Lantern film. He claimed “[i]t tied into the Superman movie that Cavill and I were proposing” and that Warner’s wasn’t interested. Most recently, during the press for Black Adam, Dwayne Johnson mentioned that the “old regime” (most likely talking about Hamada) were actively blocking attempts to bring Cavill back to the role. It wasn’t until September of this year that they got the green light to include him.

It’s unclear what Hamada had against bringing Cavill back, but he put two alternate Superman projects into development. As part of an overall deal with J.J. Abrams's Bad Robot company, Ta-Nehisi Coates was brought in to write a script for a 1940s set Superman film that would introduce a black version of Clark Kent. The other project was through a deal with Michael B. Jordan’s production company, Outlier Society Productions, to develop an HBO Max series based around the Superman of Earth 2, Val-Zod. Jordan was potentially interested in starring in that particular project. These two projects were part of Hamada’s Multiverse strategy which already delivered films like Joker and The Batman to critical acclaim. Now that Hamada has left the company, perhaps we’ll never truly know why he was so desperately opposed to Cavill’s return. 

These projects went quiet amid the chaos of the merger of WarnerMedia and Discovery. The deal WarnerMedia signed with Bad Robot was in 2019 and no projects have come out of that thus far even though rumors of various Justice League Dark shows have surrounded the deal. Shortly after Batgirl was canceled by Zaslav, an insider report hit the internet suggesting that Coates had turned in his first draft of his Superman project and Zaslav was requiring rewrites. These rewrites were reportedly to change the setting to the modern day and make the film about a white Clark Kent instead of the originally intended black version. Speculation around this report suggested that Zaslav could be interested in turning Coates’ script into a new Henry Cavill-led Superman film. However, the same THR article that spoke of “Man of Steel 2” also suggested that Coates’ Superman film is separate and still in active development. Where that leaves the Val-Zod series is anyone's guess at this point. 

2017 was the last time Henry Cavill was seen in the Superman suit (Zack Snyder’s Justice League notwithstanding), and it’s good that he’s finally able to return to the role that he clearly loved so much. The cinematographer for Black Adam recently told news outlets that a headless Superman was originally going to make an appearance in the film’s post-credits scene, in the vein of Shazam. Who knows how that would have gone over with audiences since they were already getting tired of the runaround from his previous two “appearances”. Every time a new regime shift happens at Warner Bros. they claim to have a “10-year plan” in place for the DC films. Unlike the last regime, part of that new plan appears to involve Henry Cavill as Superman. For five years, fans have wondered what the deal with Superman was and can rest comfortably knowing they have their answer.

TELEVISION, SUPERHEROES

CW / The End of the ARROWVERSE

By Brandon T. McClure

In the midst of massive restructuring in Warner Bros. and the CW channel, the CW recently announced that the planned ninth season of The Flash will be the end of the long-running (pun intended) Arrowverse show. After it was revealed that Superman & Lois did not take place in the Arrowverse (despite conflicting reports in the first season), The Flash became the last show standing. At its height, the Arrowverse consisted of six shows, and one by one the expansive universe dwindled into one. The exciting New Era promised after the “Crisis On Infinite Earths'' crossover seems to be ending with a whimper, rather than a bang.

Flash (Grant Gustin) in CW’s The Flash

After Arrow’s successful first season, the second season looked to expand the world and introduced Bary Allen. His episode was meant to be a backdoor pilot for a series based on the DC character, The Flash. The Flash began airing in 2014 and quickly became popular with viewers. It was instrumental in expanding the Arrowverse and the relationship between Oliver and Bary became a crucial linchpin in the franchise. What started as a world without superheroes, developed into an exciting and expansive world that would go on to include many superheroes. 

Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow, Black Lightning, and Batwoman would soon follow, as the world and the multiverse expanded. Dozens of DC Comics heroes and villains big and small would be introduced like Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, and even Superman. Eventually, the shows felt just as alive as the comics they were based on. Crossovers became annual events that would delight audiences as the universe grew bigger and, often, more ridiculous. Eventually, the crossovers grew so large that they adapted the biggest crossover in DC comics history, Crisis on Infinite Earths. The end of the massive five-part crossover promised a bright future for the Arrowverse. Green Arrow was gone, Supergirl and Black Lightning were merged into the same Earth and Superman was about to get his own show, an assumed spin-off of Supergirl, the stage was set for even bigger events and even a Justice League.

Mon-El (Chris Wood) and Supergirl Kara Zor-El (Melissa Benoist) in CW’s Supergirl

Then the pandemic happened and the bright future was cut off. The pandemic was a struggle for the entire entertainment industry the longer it went on. Shows and movies were able to film but the restrictions made scheduling very difficult. Restrictions on how many actors could be on set, not to mention actors getting sick from the COVID-19 virus made the job of writing the shows much harder. Proposed crossovers weren’t able to happen due to various scheduling issues and a desire to keep every set isolated in the hopes of quelling the virus. Keeping a shared universe together requires a lot of planning, and the pandemic made planning and structure almost impossible.

Ruby Rose, who headlined Batwoman, was going to be positioned as one of the new faces of the Arrowverse due to her natural chemistry with Melisa Benoist, who had played Supergirl for many years now. Rose left the Arrowverse show, however, for many reasons, most notably the abuse she suffered on set from producers. Rather than replacing Rose in the lead, the showrunners created a new character to be played by Javicia Leslie, in the second season, in the hopes of saving the show from cancellation. Benoist herself decided to leave the Arrowverse, which put an end to Supergirl due to her becoming pregnant and wanting to focus on her family. The end of Supergirl would follow the premature end of Black Lightning, although a spin-off of the latter was developed but never greenlit.

Ryan Wilder/Batwoman (Javicia Leslie) in CW’s Batwoman

After Superman & Lois, the Arrowverse struggled to launch new shows set within the “Earth-Prime” continuity. A spin-off of Arrow was developed centered around Oliver Queen’s daughter taking up the mantle of the Green Arrow in the Star City of the near future. Tentatively titled Green Arrow and the Canaries, the show would languish in development hell until The CW decided not to move forward with the series. Fan favorite character John Diggle currently has a series in development called Justice U, but it remains to be seen if that series will ever make it to air.

Batwoman and Legends of Tomorrow ended earlier this year, leaving The Flash as the final Arrowverse series. As each show began to fall, it became increasingly bizarre that The Flash was still going. Every time the series was renewed for a new season, many would wonder how long this show could continue. Finally, the announcement came that the upcoming ninth season would be its last. While there are other DC shows on the CW like Stargirl, the upcoming Gotham Knights, and the aforementioned Superman & Lois, there are no more that share the continuity established in 2012 with Arrow

With so many shows set in one continuity, it can be difficult to sustain them, and the ambitious plans for the future of the Arrowverse might not have been sustainable anyway. The shows were incredibly popular, and perhaps their popularity was always going to wain after “Crisis on Infinite Earths”, but it’s hard not to lament the way the Arrowverse is going out. The Arrowverse deserved to go out with a big bang, something even bigger than their biggest crossover. But sadly, all it will get is a few episodes of The Flash season 9 and that will be it. These were popular characters and actors that audiences loved and it just feels like they deserved more.

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FOUR EYES REVIEW / The Batman

Welcome back to another “Four Eyes” review. We take this moment to share 2 opinions on a single geek topic.

Below both Justin and Dave will each dive into what they thought about Matt Reeve’s The Batman. Join us for a “Fan”-tastic, gushing with praise, recap.

Let us know your thoughts in the comments or on social media using #foureyesreview

MOVIE: The Batman

STARRING: Robert Pattinson, Zoë Kravits, Paul Dano, Colin Farrell, Jeffrey Wright, Barry Keoghan, Andy Serkis

RELEASE DATE: March 4th, 2022

WHERE TO WATCH (as of March 2022): Theaters (Streaming on HBO Max on April 19th, 2022)

FROM JUSTIN POMERVILLE:

Cue the 60’s Batman theme song, because our favorite caped crusader is back again on the big screen. When The Batman was first announced with Robert Pattison as Bruce Wayne/Batman, I was a little hesitant. It wasn’t Pattison’s acting capabilities, but more or less the direction this film was going to go. As time went on and the more information released, it became clear that Pattison (and director Matt Reeves) had a clear vision of what exactly this Batman story would be and how it would stand out from the rest of the pack. Their story, as well as the overall style and feel, was told in a fantastic way that kept you on the edge of your seat.

The main plot focuses on a young Bruce Wayne who has only been Batman for a few years. That is the biggest difference, and because of that, we got a very different kind of Batman. We get a Batman that was still learning what exactly it means to be the hero Gotham needs. His fighting style, detective work, even his gadgets are still being honed and crafted. His interactions with the rest of the characters is fabulous as he learns to form relationships in order to become that better hero. This is the kind of Batman story where we actually get to watch Batman’s growth. With that growth, we learn how it affects Gotham and lays out the beginning rise of his rogue gallery.

Robert Pattinson as Bruce Wayne in Warner Brother’s 2022 release of The Batman.

Bruce’s relationships with both Selena Kyle (played by Zoë Kravitz) and Jim Gordon (played by Jefferey Wright) were meticulously put together. They all intertwine with each other flawlessly and it never felt forced to move the film forward. We got to see the beginning romance between Bruce and Selena as well as the trust and friendship (which is what I would call it) between Bruce and Jim as they work the murder case. Everyone’s role played out great and left me wanting to see the next step in their evolution.

Everyone’s performance was top-notch, but a couple really stood out. Paul Dano’s portrayal of The Riddler was maybe my favorite because they took such a weird villain in the comic whose whole bit is elaborate traps that can be solved by riddles, and they made him dangerous, smart and gave his whole character a fresh direction. He became visually terrifying in his mask, giving him a Zodiac killer vibe, but with the intelligence that is just as scary. The Riddler has been that character in the comics that in recent years has been taken more seriously, but this representation took it to a new level.

Jim Gordon (played by Jeffrey Wright) and Batman (played by Robert Pattinson) in The Batman.

The overall feel of this film is thrilling, Gotham felt claustrophobic and gave you a real sense of how dangerous the place is. The soundtrack is just insane and fits with the tone. Reeves littered this movie with Easter eggs and Batman lore that could make this a solid franchise going froward (if he so chooses to go in that direction). This wasn’t just a superhero movie. This was a thriller detective film that just so happened to involve Batman. That is something we don’t see very often. You can’t really compare it to the others,. If I had to choose, this may have become my new favorite Batman film.

FROM DAVE CLARK:

For as long as I can remember, my two favorite comic book properties have been the X-Men and Batman. I remember my excitement to see Tim Burton’s Batman in 1989. I would have to wait for the VHS but I was still very excited to see this larger-than-life hero played out in movie form. For me it wasn’t about world building or easter eggs. It was about seeing my favorite superhero take it to his most feared enemy on the big screen. It would then lead to the greatest animated series in the history of Batman cartoons. It would define comic book movies for a very long time and we’d set the scale as to who would portray Batman, The Joker, Alfred, Gordon, and so on. They’d be rated alongside the cast of the original film and even Adam West’s Batman. Here we are. We are in the twenty-first century and I’m getting the seventh actor to portray Batman/Bruce Wayne in live action form.

Robert Pattinson as The Batman.

I was extremely apprehensive when they announced the casting and idea behind this film so soon after Ben Affleck’s portrayal in Justice League. It started when Matt Reeves joined as Writer and Director after Affleck dropped from being the Director. Then Affleck dropped out altogether, opening the door for Robert Pattinson. Pattinson was a man I thought as horrible at acting based solely off the Twilight films alone. For the record, I was wrong and the actors are not to blame fully for those films being so bad. So many of them would go on to have amazing careers, including Pattinson. Recently, I loved him in Christopher Nolan’s Tenet. Pattinson taking over the cape and cowl for this potential new take of the story gave me confidence in the capable creative hands of Matt Reeves.

This film is now not only my favorite Batman film, but it may also very well be one of my all-time favorite films ever. It establishes our Batman as a great detective, though not the greatest, not yet at least. He’s still not the polished Dark Knight as it is only his third year on the job. However, right from the title screen, we’re getting a Batman film with narration. We’re treated with an inner monologue from Batman explaining his thoughts and observations, which in turn end up being the vocalization of his ritual of writing in a journal during this Gotham Experiment he calls being the Batman. While there has been Batman narrating before, this felt different. It felt stronger and a more intimate look into the mind of Batman. Without getting too long winded, the portrayal of every character in this film was done with respect and knowledge of the source material.

Robert Pattinson as The Batman.

The music throughout set the tone and was perfectly fit for a Gotham that no person would choose to live in unless they had no other choice. Each character had their own theme and they worked well to establish the tone of their character in the scene. The music and sound production was stellar. You felt every punch, every footfall from Batman as he emerged from the darkness. You felt the car chase with every crash and explosion.

I really could gush about this movie for thousands of words but I’m going to cut myself short and direct you to our podcast we’ll be releasing this week (link to come) with our more detailed review of The Batman. This was a strong Batman movie, and best of all - it’s simply just a great movie overall. It’s a crime thriller about a desperate chase of a maniacal serial killer who has a political agenda to expose the city’s corruption at its core. The inspiration for this film from Zodiac, Seven, and Chinatown can be noticed even after the credits have rolled. It’s safe to say, we’re in good hands for the future of Batman and his Rogues Gallery and perhaps his extended Bat-family. The future is bright in a dark dank Gotham.

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Moon Knight: Trailer & Comics

Oscar Isaac as Moon Knight in Marvel’s upcoming Disney+ show

By Justin Pomerville (2 Broke Geeks)

We now have the first trailer of what I consider my second most exciting Marvel project: Moon Knight. It has a similar vibe to Netflix’s Daredevil, although it will remain to be seen if Marvel decides to pull the trigger on a darker and slightly more violent show than what Disney+ has released to date. I highly doubt it, but one can dream.

For those of you who are interested in the character, here is a quick 101.

Marc Spector was a mercenary who was left for dead on an assignment in the desert. He was revived by the Egyptian moon god, Khonshu and appointed as Khonshu’s fist and high priest. By night, Spector enacts justice to protect those in trouble by using extreme violence as warning for all criminals. Spector suffers from dissociative identity disorder, and has two other personalities; millionaire Steven Grant and cab driver Jake Lockely. Although he has no super powers, Spector is an expert pilot, detective, marksman, and is an master in many styles of martial arts. 

Here are a couple of comics I highly recommend if you want to dig deeper into the world of Moon Knight. All of these can be found on the Marvel Unlimited app.

Werewolf By Night #32 (1972):

Moon Knight’s first appearance where he hunts down The Werewolf By Night (tentative Disney+ Halloween special in the works).

Moon Knight (2016):

Marc Spector wakes up in an insane asylum with no idea if the life he lived was real or not. He must figure out the truth of his sanity. Had he actually lived the lives of his other personalities, including the Moon Knight?

Moon Knight (2018):

Someone is trafficking Ultron’s robot body through Los Angeles and it is up to Marc to stop the criminals. On his new home turf, his psyche is shattered more as he has new voices in his head; Captain America, Spider-Man, and Wolverine.

Avengers #33-#37 (2020):

In The Age of Khonshu storyline, Moon Knight steals the powers/artifacts of the Avengers for Khonshu to take over the world.

Moon Knight (2021):

In the most recent run of Moon Knight, he opens the Midnight Mission where he protects those who are dealing with the weird and horrifying.

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Spider-Man: Every Villain, and Where We Left Them

Panels from Marvel® Spider-Man Blue and Spider-Man: Revenge of the Green Goblin (2000 - Issue #3)

By Brandon T. McClure (@btmcclure @fakenerdpodcast)

There has been so much that has come out about Spider-Man: No Way Home over the past few weeks. Rumors began so long ago with the casting of Jamie Foxx as Electro. Even before learning that it was a multiverse adventure, the question on everyone's mind was… what was happening? Alfred Molina let it spill that his Doctor Octopus was pulled out of his universe just before his climactic end. So using that logic here’s a list of every live-action Spider-Man villain that could or is showing up in the latest MCU Spider-Man film and where we last saw them.

GREEN GOBLIN (Spider-Man - 2002 )

ACTOR: Willem DaFoe

STATUS: Dead

For Sam Raimi’s first outing with the web-slinger, he chose arguably, Spider-Man’s greatest villain: The Green Goblin. Portrayed by Willem Dafoe, the character became immediately iconic. Faced with losing a major defense contract, Norman Osborn took the risk experimenting on himself to prove that his formula would work. This only turned him into the deranged killer; the Green Goblin. The film’s climactic battle saw Goblin try and trick Peter into getting stabbed by the Goblin Glider, but Peter’s spidey sense saved him in the nick of time. The glider skewered and pinned Goblin to the wall, killing the villain.

Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man and Willem Dafoe as The Green Goblin in Sam Raimi’s 2002’s Spider-Man

DOC OCK (Spider-Man 2 - 2004)

ACTOR: Alfred Molina

STATUS: Dead

With the success of the first film, it was only natural that a sequel would come. Naturally, another classic Spider-Man foe was picked, this time Doctor Octopus who is played by Alfred Molina. With his hero firmly established, Raimi was able to work on creating a villain that audiences would find endearing and tragic. Fueled with the desire to complete his experiment, but manipulated by his own robotic arms, Doc Ock set about trying to destroy Spider-Man and the city of New York. Although in a turn of events and with the help of Spider-Man, Doc Ock saw clearly and was able to heroically sacrifice himself.He plunged himself and his destructive experiment into the bottom of the ocean, saving the city.

Alfred Molina as Doctor Otto Octavius in Sam Raimi’s 2004’s Spider-Man 2

SANDMAN (Spider-Man 3 - 2007)

ACTOR: Thomas Haden Church

STATUS: Alive?

The first of many new villains introduced in the third Spider-Man film, Flint Marko (played by Thomas Haden Church) escaped from prison, only to find himself in some sort of sand experiment that accidentally turned him into the Sandman. Revealed to be the man who killed Ben Parker, he became the target for Spider-Man’s unresolved revenge. His life of crime ended when, after a failed team-up with Venom, he expressed remorse for the killing of Peter’s uncle and let the wind carry him away. Though that doesn’t mean he’s dead, supposedly he could put himself back together?

Thomas Haden Church as Sandman in Sam Raimi’s 2007 Spider-Man 3

Venom (Spider-Man 3 -2007)

ACTOR: Topher Grace

STATUS: Dead

This was Sony’s first attempt to bring the symbiote to the big screen. Introducing Eddie Brock (played by Topher Grace) as a rival photographer to Peter, the second villain introduced in Spider-Man 3 started life as a black suit that made Peter into… well… a jerk. After Peter rips the costume from his skin, it falls on Eddie and they hatch a plan to stop Spider-Man by teaming up with The Sandman to put Mary Jane in danger. Spider-Man uses sound against Venom to separate the symbiote from Eddie. Spider-Man then throws a New Goblin Pumpkin Bomb to vaporize both Eddie and Venom, leaving their fate sealed. (NOTE: If any Venom shows up in No Way Home it would be the Tom Hardy one)

Topher Grace as Venom in Sam Raimi’s 2007 Spider-Man 3

NEW GOBLIN (Spider-Man 3 - 2007)

ACTOR: James Franco

STATUS: Dead

Five villains in three movies is kind of crazy when you think about it. The final villain introduced in Spider-Man 3 is New Goblin played by James Franco. Admittedly Harry Osborn has been in the franchise since the beginning, but his villain turn was happening in the background of Spider-Man 2 as his hatred for Spider-Man grew. With the help from the spirit (?) of his father, Harry turned himself into New Goblin. His time as a villain was cut short when his first battle with Peter ended with him losing his memory of the last three films. When he regained his memory, he saw the error of his ways. While his time as a villain ended up being relatively short, his turn to a hero helped save Mary Jane and defeat both Venom and Sandman, but not without costing him his own life.

James Franco as Harry Osborne aka New Goblin in Sam Raimi’s 2007 Spider-Man 3

THE LIZARD (The Amazing Spider-Man - 2012)

ACTOR: Rhys Ifans

STATUS: Alive

Due to a fourth Sam Raimi Spider-Man film falling apart, Sony rebooted the franchise with Marc Webb and Andrew Garfield. A new villain was needed to go up against this new Spider-Man, and the Lizard was the villain to kick off this new era of the web-slinger. Doctor Curt Conners, played this time by Rhys Ifans, desires to regrow his arm but in doing so, he turns himself into The Lizard. Conners is cured and sent to prison after Spider-Man thwarts his plan to turn all of New York into Lizard people.

Rhys Ifans as The Lizard in Marc Webb’s 2012 The Amazing Spider-Man

THE RHINO (The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - 2014)

ACTOR: Paul Giamatti

STATUS: Alive

The first villain introduced in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is Aleksei Sytsevich, played by Paul Giamatti and who will call himself The Rhino by the end of the movie. A goofier villain than others introduced in the previous Spider-Man films, Aleksei was stopped after stealing an Oscorp truck full of chemicals. After going to jail, the mysterious “Gentlemen” (The guy with the Fedora that everyone forgets) gives him the use of a robotic Rhino mech suit that ends the film without any closure to the character.

Paul Giamatti as Rhino in Marc Webb’s 2014’s The Amazing Spider-Man 2

ELECTRO

ACTOR: Jamie Foxx

STATUS: Dead

The main villain of Andrew Garfield’s second turn as the Wall-Crawler was Electro. Electro is introduced as mild-mannered Oscorp worker Maxwell Dillon (played by Jamie Foxx), who is initially saved by Spider-Man and grows an unhealthy obsession with him. After a tumble in a tank filled with electric eels, Max becomes the villain Electro. Electro goes on to fight Spider-Man a number of times, the final time being at a power plant. With the help of Gwen Stacey, Peter is able to kill Electro by overloading him with power, thwarting his plan to control the power grid. 

Jamie Foxx as Electro in Marc Webb’s 2014 The Amazing Spider-Man 2

GREEN GOBLIN

ACTOR: Dane DeHann

STATUS: Alive

Much like Spider-Man 3 before it, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 bit off a bit more than it could chew with the introduction of Harry Osborn, this time played by Dane DeHaan. In this reboot, Harry returns after the death of his father, Norman Osborn, and looks to find a cure for the illness that killed Norman (since that same illness is killing him). He believes this cure lies in Spider-Man’s blood. Spider-Man’s unwillingness to give him the blood leads Harry to take matters into his own hands. Mixing Spider-Man’s DNA with the disease turns him into this film's version of The Green Goblin. Spider-Man does defeat the last-minute villain but at the cost of Gwen Stacey’s life. Harry is sent to prison where the “Gentleman” pays him a visit to end the film.

Dane DeHann as The Green Goblin in Marc Webb’s 2014 The Amazing Spider-Man 2

THE VULTURE

ACTOR: Michael Keaton

STATUS: Alive

The first proper villain that audiences saw the MCU Spider-Man fight (and one of the best in the MCU) is Adrian Toomes (played by Michael Keaton). Toomes, known as The Vulture to fans, was a contractor who felt wronged by Tony Stark’s new Department of Damage Control He spent the next “eight” years stealing technology from Avengers battles to sell on the black market. Business was good until Spider-Man got wind. What’s worse is that Spider-Man’s alter-ego, Peter Parker was dating Adrian Toomes’ daughter! Spider-Man had to do what was right and stopped Toomes from pulling off the “big one” and it landed him in jail.

For some reason though, Toomes didn’t give away Parker’s identity to Mac Gargan (the man destined to be Scorpion). So what is Toomes planning? Could he escape from prison to unite the multiversal villains against his Peter Parker?

Michael Keaton as The Vulture in John Watt’s 2017 Spider-Man: Homecoming

THE SHOCKER (Spider-Man: Homecoming - 2017)

ACTOR: Bokeem Woodbine

STATUS: Alive

Both Jackson Brice and Herman Schultz appear as the shocker in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Brice, played by Logan Marshall-Green, plays a small part before being accidentally killed by Toomes and the mantle is passed to Schultz, played by Bokeem Woodbine. In this film, he’s not really a major player, although he does try to distract Spider-Man from coming after Toomes before being defeated and arrested. While it is possible that someday, if the MCU does their own Sinister Six with MCU Spider-Man villains, Shocker could come back. It’s unlikely he’ll be part of this multiversal team-up.

Bokeem Woodbrine as Herman Schultz (aka Shocker) in John Watt’s 2017 Spider-Man: Homecoming

MYSTERIO (Spider-Man: Far from Home - 2019)

ACTOR: Jake Gyllenhall

STATUS: Dead?

Our first tease of the multiverse came from the hero Mysterio… or so he said. In reality, Quentin Beck (played by Jake Gyllenhaal), aka Mysterio, is a disgruntled Stark employee. He originally developed B.A.R.F. and was attempting to get the glasses that Tony bequeathed to Peter so that he can upgrade his holographic technology to solidify himself as an Avengers-level hero. After his betrayal was revealed, Peter set out to stop him which ultimately led to Quentin’s death. At the time of his death, Dr. Riva (played by Peter Billingsley), took a flash drive, seemingly to leek Peter’s identity. What if he showed up as the new Mysterio? Perhaps Mysterio could come back and play a role in uniting these multiversal villains against the MCU’s Spider-Man.

Jake Gyllenhall as Mysterio in John Watt’s 2019 Spider-Man: Far from Home

There’s a lot of questions leading up to Spider-Man: No Way Home. One of the biggest questions about the upcoming film is why these villains are fighting this Spider-man? The Spider-Man films make a point to make sure the villains are emotionally connected to Peter Parker. They aren’t just characters that Peter has to physically overcome but they have their own emotional arcs within the films. In the second trailer, Dr. Strange reveals that all the villains that have invaded the MCU died in their universes and timelines implying that what’s happening in this film would be set after their emotional arcs were over. Obviously the question of “how” is a big one, but Tom Holland’s Peter Parker has some villains in his canon that could offer some insight into why they’ve decided to go after this Spider-Man.

Let’s not forget some other intriguing questions as well:  

• What was the deal with the post-credits sting in Venom: Let There Be Carnage?

• Is Charlie Cox in the movie?

• Why won’t Sony let Andrew Garfield say he’s in the movie?

• What’s going to happen to Tom Hollands Peter Parker?

• Will this finally fulfill Sony’s dream of having a live-action Sinister Six, or will they be one short?

These questions and more will have to wait until the film is released. Until then, speculation continues to ramp up for the hotly anticipated Spider-Man. Regardless of who’s in the movie or not, it’s fun to revisit these villains and their stories because, at this point, who even knows what’s really going to happen.

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Spider-Man: Freshman Year - What it Could Mean For his Future in the MCU

By Brandon T. McClure (@btmcclure @fakenerdpodcast)

Disney+ Day has come and gone. As expected, there were tons of announcements (though not as many as people expected). One of the most surprising announcements came in the form of a new Disney+ exclusive animated series called Spider-Man: Freshman Year.  This, in canon series from Marvel Studios will follow the exploits of Peter Parker’s first year as Spider-Man as he learns that with great power comes great responsibility (even though Civil War was meant to be 6 months into his career, but who’s keeping track any more). 

As Spectacular Spider-Man fans will know, Disney holds the animation/television rights to Spider-Man. This is one of the many reasons why that series was cancelled in favor of Disney XD’s Ultimate Spider-Man.  A new animated adventure for the MCU’s Peter Parker was practically inevitable when Marvel Studios began building up their animation division.  There seems to be two potential reasons why Marvel Studios is interested in pursuing this series.

Spider-Man only exists in the MCU thanks to a deal between Sony and Marvel/Disney, effectively giving Kevin Feige creative control of the solo Spider-Man movies. A deal that won’t last forever.  After Spider-Man: No Way Home, the future is unclear for the MCU’s wall crawler. There are conflicting reports if another MCU appearance was part of the deal. Behind the scenes, a deal is no doubt being worked on to continue Tom Holland's Peter Parker, but Spider-Man: Freshman Year could point to Marvel being uncertain what the future could hold for him. Potentially, Marvel Studios would be looking for other mediums to keep telling Spider-Man stories. In the event that a deal isn’t struck, this series could be a way for them to continue telling stories with the MCU Peter Parker without having to go any further into the future. Effectively leaving the door open for Sony to return to the negotiating table someday down the line.

On the other hand, this move could signal Marvel Studios confidence that a new deal will be signed and are already setting up plans for the next few years of the MCU Spider-Man. It would be beneficial for both parties to keep Spider-Man in the MCU, even if Sony insists on making other Spider-Man related films, they’re aware of the fans desire to keep seeing Tom Holland interact with the wider MCU. At this point, continuing Spider-Man’s MCU journey is impossible for Marvel to do without Sony as it’s proven to be a huge success for all parties.

Of course, realistically and optimistically speaking, the second option is far more likely then the first. Fans are not only eagerly anticipating the next Spider-Man film but holding their breath as to what the future for this character could be. By its very nature, Spider-Man: Freshman Year is probably not going to be a long series but it is nice to know that there is more MCU Spider-Man in our future, even if it is a prequel series.

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Casting Riddles Solved for 'The Batman'

Once it was announced that Matt Reeves would be taking a stab at directing and writing the next entry into the vast catalog of Batman films, it was only a matter of time before we started getting production news. Over the last few months, we’ve learned the identity of the next man to take on the cape and cowl. Within the last few days, we’ve also discovered who will be running the streets of Gotham alongside the Caped Crusader. Let’s look at what we know about the Matt Reeves led film, The Batman.

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The Spider-Man: Far From Home Teaser Trailer Is Here!

Just a few months removed from the next two installments of the MCU with Captain Marvel and Avengers: Endgame, we patiently (not so patiently) wait to see how our favorite Marvel heroes plan to deal with Thanos and his finger snap heard round the universe. We can confirm a few things for certain when watching the very first trailer for the sequel to Spider-Man: Homecoming. Spoiler alert: Spider-Man, Nick Fury, and Maria Hill are alive.

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Review: Deadpool 2

Deadpool 2 has hit the theaters this weekend. Now that the majority of us have settled down after going through the emotional process that was Avengers: Infinity War, it's time to see how super hero films can keep the momentum going. And, although Deadpool is not part of the MCU, it still has to keep pace with the other super hero films to stay afloat. But how will the Rated-R follow up to the amazingly received Merc With The Mouth solo film stack up?

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Review: Avengers: Infinity War

It's been ten years in the making and it has taken 18 films to reach the pinnacle of what will be the biggest game-changer in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. After only showing up briefly throughout the films (Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, & Avengers: Age of Ultron), Thanos has taken center stage with the Black Order as they reign chaos in Avengers: Infinity War. I will be giving a brief non-spoiler review, and then diving in to go over some of the best (and very spoiler-filled) moments.

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New Deadpool 2 Trailer!

With all the excitement and fervor over last week's Avengers: Infinity War trailer release and the subsequent record breaking ticket presales, it makes sense for studios to want to glomb onto that buzz. And why not keep it within the Marvel family? Marvel Studios and 20th Century Fox released a brand new trailer for Deadpool 2 that gives us a much larger glimpse into what we can expect from the fourth wall breaking Merc with a Mouth.